Curse

headlesshobbs · May 27, 2010, 10:28 AM // 10:28

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

If a game has enough boring stuff to necessitate botting, that's the real problem.

Any game can become boring if you play it too much. Sometimes a better solution is to go outside and meet the world for a while, trust me you'll feel better about yourself.

Dre · May 27, 2010, 10:31 AM // 10:31

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

An article on Kotaku sums it up perfectly.

If a game has enough boring stuff to necessitate botting, that's the real problem.

I bet that article was written by a botter.

GW has no monthly fees, so if you're bored, go play something else and return whenever you want

Mangione · May 27, 2010, 10:33 AM // 10:33

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

If a game has enough boring stuff to necessitate botting, that's the real problem.

OP mentioned 5000+ hours of gaming about his account.
Can you mention a videogame that won't become boring after so much time?
Heck... can you mention a game who doesn't become boring after 200 hours.

(Also, titles are not a necessity).

Ariovist Lynxkind · May 27, 2010, 10:34 AM // 10:34

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

Honest to god, I feel bad for the people who played for 5 years and botted in the last 5 months (because so many people doing it made it very tempting for them) and then lost 5 years of their game.

Before titles even existed I accepted I would never get the HA rank emote. It bothers me. The simple reality is most of the titles in this game are out of reach for healthy normal people who are actively involved in the real world and other games/hobbies (I remember reading somewhere that only one A-Net employee had GWAMM). For people who played Guild Wars for 5 years and realised all they had to show for it was a few protector titles and maybe a faction grind title or two the temptation of botting would have been very high.

Botting is the player response to creating title goals which are so high, they feel out of reach for most players, or are simply massive tedious grinds. For other playes, the goals may be reachable, for individual titles but when you look at them all it becomes a mammoth workload.

If someone just played for 5 years doing what they enjoyed without any knowledge of titles, I doubt they would have more than 10 maxed titles (the Guardian and Protector titles making up the bulk of them). I don't think anyone felt more fulfilled after getting GWAMM than they did after completing all of Prophecies and collecting a nice stash of greens or elite armour. Back then achievements were personal things, not intense and boring grinds with a vague GW2 carrot reward attached to them.

If max Asura title required doing all the asura quests, all the asura dungeons and maybe vanquishing the asura home lands, I would have it. Instead it requires raptor farming for several hours over and over again.

A bot can't get protector or guardian titles on its own. Those titles belong to people who played the game. The titles that bots can get (the mindless grind ones) shouldn't exist in the first place. They require players to engage in stagnant repetitive gameplay for several hours, and that's why people botted them.

When A-Net leaves bots unattended and uncommented on in the game for so long (I'm talking about the massive botting thread and the specific rise in bots recently, not the general "no bots allowed" stance), they are basically luring weak willed players into a trap. Players see a situation where they are constantly being 1 uped by bots, cheaters and hackers and at the end of the day they came out worse because of it. Had A-Net taken a more proactive and vocal approach to banning these botters (instead of deliberately hiding their plans and cutting off communication with the community) many players who gave in and joined the botters would never had done so in the first place.

Scenario A: If the teacher is in the room and actively stopping her students from talking during the exam, the students won't talk. Scenario B: If she sets up a hidden camera and leaves the room hoping to catch cheaters, she will catch some and can then fail them. The problem with scenario b is she now has a class with some students who failed for cheating. In scenario a the same people didn't cheat and all the teacher had to do was sit in the room. The end result is better in scenario a.

My point is it's better to stop people from botting in the first place, rather than simply ban the ones that did bot. It appears in this situation A-Net deliberately held back on actively banning botters so that they could catch some that gave into temptation when they thought the teacher had left the room.

I personally have never been tempted to bot but I do understand the frustration with the grind that leads to people wanting to bot.

I dont feel sorry for them. I understand the frustration too, but they knew what they were doing was wrong anyway. No matter how you try to justify it, even using your 'teacher away' scenario, they knew what they were doing and got the just punishment. And as for the comment about not commenting on the thread, come on, the LT posted in other threads from the time that one started until it was locked when the resolution came, you would have to be stupid to assume they didn't notice it and read it.

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it.

Yeah, I didn't know where to get the bots. But then again, I had no interest in looking in the first place.

siadina · May 27, 2010, 10:36 AM // 10:36

My two cents won't leave me alone......Dude, Seriously?? Go play your pity game somewhere else. If you know to get on guru to cry foul, then you are aware that bots were aginst the ula. Pardon my laughter, but really?? *stuffs this post in her pocket* Just in case I'm on the freeway and need some tissue........

Sit back and relax. Continue to read guru. But know that while you too the cheap, easy, and classless way to play a great game; we who are actual players will never miss you...or your bots.

Siadina

Killed u man · May 27, 2010, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

How can you possibly think that GW is dying when there are literally hundreds of thousands of people still happily playing?

I think he meant PvP. And I don't think anyone would disagree PvP is notting more than a worminfested rotting corpse.

However, as Axiom posted on QQ forums:

"With the recent mass-ban of bots, aswell as the prospect of a new tiebreaker in GvG, we might be on the verge of a major influx of new PvP players, aswell as a return of the old garde"

Wasn't a direct quote, as I cba to open another window to quote him, but that's pretty much what he saidn and I agree. As soon as they nerf hexway (Which is unlikely, but I can still hope for it) aswell as these recent lolmesmers, GW comes to closest state of fun it's been in since the past... 3-4 years. If only they return to old school holding, I'dd be one happy panda.

*Darcy* · May 27, 2010, 10:43 AM // 10:43

You make it sound like ArenaNet never blocked an account before for botting. They have been doing it for years. And for years people have been complaining about the bans. It's the same story every time. It all comes down to the infantile "you shouldn't punish me because it's not my fault" mindset. My advice is to grow up before you buy another MMO and invest all those hours again. (And that has nothing to do with your calendar age.)

Ildanach · May 27, 2010, 10:44 AM // 10:44

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Originally Posted by Mokeiro

BoTTers and CHeaters are not community, nuf said.

Agreed.

I do not see the subject needing discussed further.

Iuris · May 27, 2010, 10:48 AM // 10:48

Since when has everyone been botting? Bloody hell, am I the only one who hasn't even been tempted to bot?

Xsiriss · May 27, 2010, 11:16 AM // 11:16

Botting is NOT part of the game,botting is cheating and ruins it for people who have actually got their impressive titles and amassed ectos religiously by themselves. You're an idiot to think otherwise and it's people like you that lead to a flourish in botting. Just leave.

UnChosen · May 27, 2010, 11:20 AM // 11:20

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

An article on Kotaku sums it up perfectly.

If a game has enough boring stuff to necessitate botting, that's the real problem.

QFT. Of course, if someone finds a legit way to making something boring NOT boring....then the nerf bat would come swinging in respond to the endless rivers of tears...and hit all the wrong targets at the same time.

Godefridus · May 27, 2010, 11:24 AM // 11:24

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If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game.

Lol... since when does boredom per definition lead to botting? It's pure greed that leads to botting. And lazyness....

No one forces anyone to continue to play GW past the stage of boredom

It sure ain't like GW is the only online game out there, so next to real life you also got quite some alternative online games to try. But apparently those are even less interesting to start playing than GW is after thousands of hours?? So perhaps people aren't THAT bored of GW after all?

So that brings me back to greed and lazyness... people wanting to max their titles but not willing to do the required work for it. People wanting that really rare item/miniature, but not willing to work for it....

Of course one can get bored of doing certain tasks over and over, but that doesn't mean you must use a bot then. No one forces you to get all those titles but you. So you can either decide not to get that title, to take a break from that certain task for a while or to just continue with it realizing you'll get a really neat title at the end. I for one are quite bored at the moment with maxing my Kurzick rank. Do I now use a bot? No!! I just take a short break every now and then and do other things instead and realize that it'll be the last title required to become a GWAMM to get me pick it up again.

Ego · May 27, 2010, 11:31 AM // 11:31

Worst post ever, best update ever.

Da Bears · May 27, 2010, 11:33 AM // 11:33

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

Dear Gurus,

Today, over 3700 accounts were banned due to botting and use of third-party programs. Let's take a moment and really break down how and why nearly half of the populous of this dying online community spontaneously combusted.

Arena-Net has offered us so many lovely content additions in the recent history, such as costumes, NPCs to talk trade useless crap for other useless crap, ways to change our character from a down-syndrome having asian infant, and finally the War in Kryta quest chain. These additions have molded the community from a dying game, to a dying game that the players realize won't get better. I understand GW2 is on the rise, but that's been the case for 2 years without any love for the original, and will continue to be the case for months to come. With this being said, what do the players with 3-5 years under their belt have to do? Repeat missions, vanqs, dungeons? Needlessly grind out speed clears (which Anet failed at attempting to shut down)? Or maybe participating in nerdy e-peen battles on a nightly basis with the same morons every night in HA? THIS my friends, is precisely why people bot. It makes the game fun again. Personally, I've achieved GWAMM, r8, g3 on my own, no bot help. I moved to PvP because there was nothing else left to do in PvE. When PvP becomes redundant, you simply move on (botting). An evolutionary process mediated by A-net themselves.

For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly. So basically, my point is this: Anet killed this game by not updating it enough. Without enough content updates, or micro-transactions, or anything that normal, successful MMOs employ to keep their game active, this game died out. 15 minute zaishen wait times in HA, empty districts in PvE zones, etc... BEFORE the ban-o-mania. Just imagine what the future months will behold.

I would just like to note with this post, that the people that botted, didn't necessarily bot because they wanted a maxed title, or money, or fame, or glad, etc.. etc... Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game. Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is. If Anet sticks to this concept of an MMO.... even if it is more like WoW (.... zzzzz), who is going to play it? You think I'm gonna buy GW2 after filling my HoM legitimately, getting gwamm, r8, g3 legit? After 5000+ hours of gameplay? I can't imagine so. Because truthfully, with the effort put into GW1 in the last few years, why would I expect anything more from GW2 once they design it? A re-skinned, re-written WoW isn't going to do anyone any good, especially when the Arena Net team won't be adding new content updates every couple of months like WoW does... As BAD as WoW is... it's better than GW... because the designers actually give a damn. =/ sad news for Guild Wars today.

Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is.

Srsly how long have u been playing online games? Its obvious u were using bots/hacks to give u an unfair advantage from ppl who physically played play the game and u have now been served. Almost all legit MMOs DO NOT allow bots or third party programs/hacks that give them an unfair advantage against other players. Another thing is your whining about a game free of monthly fees makes me laugh. Most ppl that have been playing this game for years know 3700 account isnt enough to make GWs a "ghost town" and no ones cares about pvp anymore since it's nothing but a mutilated cow corpse in the middle of a field. HA is nothing but a bunch of r9+ idiots who wont even group with newer players to expand the pvp community because of their egotistical mindsets that make them think they are too good to play with new players or players new to pvp or HA. You got what u deserve so take your QQ session somewhere else.

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btw your unfair methods of achieving your GWAAM title makes it worthless, it is supposed to mean u have accomplished great feats on your own and not by using programs to get it.

Franksalot · May 27, 2010, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

Dear Gurus,

Today, over 3700 accounts were banned .... etc

Bah pointless QQ... basically your saying you CHEATED because you had nothing else to do and then you got banned for CHEATING and now your bitching. Guild Wars is a little stale for long time players yes, its not dying however and there is no excuse for botting.

Fusylum · May 27, 2010, 11:43 AM // 11:43

Basically, your trying to say that although you think that Guild Wars is dieing and... you think that a 'bot' should not get banned because he makes up 3700/billionth*x of the game..? well chances are that this will not effect the game if anything it might help the economy in game and my items more valuable...
Farming is one thing but if your making some sort of prophet in game without even playing... Not only do I think banning is something that MUST happen but your name gets broadcast on the wall of Guild Wars Shame.

Ty

Zebideedee · May 27, 2010, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game.

Sounds like now you got banned from GW's for botting and from all those FPS for using an aimbot, you is

willie nelson · May 27, 2010, 11:44 AM // 11:44

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

If a game has enough boring stuff to necessitate botting, that's the real problem.

And what exactly is necessary in GW2 that you absolutely need to use a bot to get it?

If some part of the game is boring, don't do it, go do something else that you find fun.
It's as simple as that.

Let's face it botters are whiny little brats who want everything for free just because it's there and in the process ruin the game for everybody else, so pardon me if I don't QQ over their "tragedy".

Eragon Zarroc · May 27, 2010, 11:45 AM // 11:45

blah! this was depressing to read. go away you downer

Test Me · May 27, 2010, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is.

I totally hate grievers. The fact that you are bored and have done it all doesn't mean all are. Other people might want to enjoy today what you enjoyed 3 years ago "grief-free".

But no because some people get bored and they don't understand that the thing to do when you get bored with a game is to move to another game or stop playing... they feel justified to bot and grief other players.

Sorry to say this, but whatever ban got you, you fully desirve it. I'm playing this game 4 years now - on and off (as I get bored and get back in) and not once was I interested in using bots or have considered grieving other players just because "I had no other fun with the game than that".

That's just lame.